4-SAE 5149B & 5149 C - MSY Update.docx

SASIntemationalG-12TTrainingandQualityProgramsCommitteeARP5149TrainingProgramGuidelinesforDeicingZAnti-IcingofAircraftonGroundRev.B一BallotUpdate&CommentsRev.C一ProposedUpdatesSAEG-12TTraining&QualityProgramsCommitteeNewOrleans,LA,USAMay15thj2013Presentedby:ChrisSchockDocumentSponsorSAEARP5149ARP5149BBallotUpdate&CommentsProposedDraftcompletedandsubmittedfor28DayCommitteeBallot:-3APR1328-DayCommitteeBallotcompleted:-28APR13Summaryofresults:BallotResultsApproveDisapproveWaiveParticipation230023/3369.7%0%0%697%ChallengeswerefacedduringtheBallotprocess,assomeindividualswhomthoughttheywereeligibleVotingMemberswerenotlistedassuchand/orwereonlyLiaisons/MailingListRecipients.-Forsome,thishasbeencorrectedalready.-ForQualificationandConditionofVotingMembership3refertoSection4.2.3ofAEROSPACECOUNCILoftheSAETechnicalStandardsBoardOrganizationandOperatingProcedures.-Ifyouwishtoconfirmyourstatusorrequestachangeinyourstatus,pleasecontact:CommitteeCo-Chairpersons:-BrianAnderson(brian.andersonkilA)_OliverArtz(OIiVer.arztomac-gmbh.de)AlthoughnoDisapprovalsorWaives,thereweresomeInformationalandTechnicalComments:-Somecommentspertainedtoerrorsnotedinpre-existingcontentthatwasnotpartoftherevision.-SomecommentspertainedtoerrorsnotedinnewandrequestforsomeeditorialmodificationtonewadditionsforRev.B.-Somecommentsmaderequestingfurtherclarificationorareasthatmayneedtobemoredescriptive.-Somenewcommentsmadethatwerenotpreviouslyraisedduringcommitteemeetings,andmaybeopenfordiscussion. SomepertaintoRev.Badditions. SomemaybeconsideredforRev.C5andcanbebroughtupduringfuturemeetings/discussion. RequirementswithinARP5149shouldalignwithARP4737.ARP5149BBallotUpdate&CommentsSUmmaryOfKeyInfOnTIatiOnalandTeChniCalCommerits:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一RequestregardingAsteriskindicating''applicationonPICRequest”pointingtoWinqIetSandVertiCalStabiIiZer/RuddednAnti-icingdiagramsberemoved,explainingthatapplicationontheseareasshouldbemandatory.一ThiswascarriedouttoalignwiththerequirementsmentionedinARP5149.Section10.8.4specifiestheanti-icingfluidapplicationstrategy:.Surfacestobeprotectedinclude:a.Winguppersurfaceandleadingedgesc.Verticalstabilizerandrudder-Thisbeingsaid,ARP4737makesnomentionofthisrequirement.ThisisspecifiedhowevertothesameeffectintheAEARecommendations3.9.2.4;AEATrainingRecommendations7.3.1;ISO1107610.3.4;andSIAGDP1.4.1.一Changewasincorporatedandmadepriortoballot.一Anothercommentmadedisagreedwiththischange.SUmmaryOfKeyInfonTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一TwoseparatecommentsrequestingAsteriskindicating''applicationonPICRequest"pointingtoFuselageinAnti-icingdiagramsberemoved. Oneexplainedthatthatapplicationontheseareasshouldbemandatoryduringactiveprecip,andnotlefttotherequestofthePIC. Anotherexplained,simplyput,forclarity,asthisnoteisfromoperationalperspectiveandthefiguresintheannexaremeanttogivewhereyoucancan,tsprayfluids.-Donotbelievesomeindividualsmayagreewiththeserecommendations.Numerousincidenceshaveoccurredonvariousa/ctypes,whereanti-icingfluidwasinadvertentlyappliedtothefuselageorappliedontherequestofthePIC.Insomeofthesecases,therootcausewastheA/Cwasnotconfiguredproperlytoconductoperation/takeoffwiththickenedanti-icingfluidonthefuselage,causingairborneincidences.SUmmaryOfKeyInfonTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:FuselageAnti-icing(continued)一DiagramsalignwiththerequirementsmentionedinARP5149.Section10.8.4,whichspecifiestheanti-icingfluidapplicationstrategy:.Surfacestobeprotectedinclude:d.Fuselageuppersurfaces(especiallyonaircraftwithcenter-mountedengines),dependingonamountandtypeofprecipitation.一Inordertodetermineapplicability,thePICshouldbeconsultedwithtodetermineiftheFuselagerequiresanti-icingdependentontheobserved/activeandimminentconditions,andapprovethistreatment.A/Cmustbeconfiguredaccordinglyinthiscase.PICthusmusturequesthistreatment一ThisrequirementmayvarybyA/Ctype.一ThisrequirementmayvarybyAirCarriersRegulatoryapprovedprograms.一Topreventanyconfusion,recommendthisremainsunchanged.ARP5149BProposedRevisionsNeWSamPIeAntiicinqDiaqramAIRBUSA350An4ckto wWAnti-icingFluidApplicationAreasAti4clngFluidNon*ApplicationAreasNoDirectApplicationofDiclngAnti*icingFluklAllowedFusolageAnti-icingApplicationonPICRoquostSUmmaryOfKeyInfOnTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一AnAirCarriermemberrequestedtheadditionoftheCold-SoakedFuelFrostdefinedareaonwingtopsbeaddedspecificallytotheB737diagram.Cold-SoakedFrostArea一Donotnecessarilyagreewiththisrecommendationforthefollowingreasons:,Themanufacturersservicebulletinappliestospecificseries,butnotallseriesofthisac,andasthediagramisgeneric,representingallseriesofthisa/ctype.Inordertooperateandapplythisbulletin,regulatoryauthorityexemptionstonationalaviationregulationsmayneedtoapply.NotallAirCarriersmayapplyorrequesttheseexemptions.Also,notallregulatoryauthoritiesapproveoforhaveissuedexemptionstotheirnationalaviationregulations.一ASaresult,recommendthisremainsunchanged.ARP5149BBallotUpdate&CommentsStatUSOfDocument:Asaresultofcommentsmaderegardingcorrectionofpreviouserrors,anderrors/editorialcommentsnotedinrevisedmaterial,theseitemswillbeaddressed.OnCompletion3documentwillbesubmittedfor14-DayReballot.ThisW川becompletedshortly.Thankyouallforyourparticipationandtimeinreviewingthisdocumentandforyourcontinuedsupport.ARP5149CProposedUpdatesUPdateS&NeWItems:Itemsbroughtupinpresentationsanddiscussionatfuturecommitteemeetingswillbeconsidered.Somecommentsmadeduringthe28-DayBallotpertainedtoitemsnotencompassedonmayneedtobemoredescriptiveinthepresentdocument:-"SensitiveAreasarenotclearlyaddressedinthisdocument(i.e.electricalwiringconnectors,nosewheelsteeringorotheractuatorsonthelandinggear,etc.).ARP4737mayalsoneedtobeharmonizedwiththeseadditionalrequirements.ConsideradoptingQualificationLevels.Inlinewithabove,consideraddingspecifictrainingelements:一CabinCrew一FluidAcceptance/Blending/LabTestingCoversindividualsnotfullyGroundtrainedasperdocument.一FluidLabTechniciansUPdateS&NeWItems:Onclosereview,someitemsarecopiedfromotherSAEdocuments,andthereappeartobesomepotentialcontradictions.Whenachangeismadeinonedocument,isthisincorporatedintootherdocuments?一Example:5149Section10.7.1isverysimilarto4737Section6.1.2.5.-Bothsectionstellyouhowtodeicedifferentcomponents/sectionsofanaircraftusingfluid.-Ifachangeshouldbemadeinonedocument,willitbemadeinanother? Asagreed3documentshouldberevisedtoreferencetheappropriateSAEdocumentintheseareas. Bothdocuments,4737and5149shouldbeusedsimultaneously.AIDIDendiXD:PrOI3。SedAirCraftReViSionS(continued):Aircraftunabletoprovide,duetonotechnicaldataavailable(newdesign)ornoneprovided:一Antonovcurrent/newtypes A124,A225,others一Bombardiernewtypes CSeries一Comaecurrent/newtypes ARJ21,C919一Ilyushincurrent/newtypes, IL86jothers一Irkut, MS-21一Mitsubishicurrent/newtypes, MU2,RegionalJet一Sukhoi, SuperjetSeries,others-Tupolevcurrent/newtypesT134,T154jothersADlDendiXD:ProlJoSedAirCraftReViSiOnS(continued):-Weneedyourhelpby:-ObtainingZprovidingdiagrams. Manufactures. Airlineoperators. NeedaccurateinformationforsomeEasternEuropeanandAsianbuiltaircrafttypes.-Reviewingdiagrams. Cannotinsertnewaircraftthatarestillinthetestingphaseorareonthedrawingboard.Locationofcomponentsandde/anti-icingrequirements,cautions,andproceduresmaychangepriortoa/ccertification. Therearenumerousa/ctypesnotcoveredinthedocument.Weneeddiagramsfrommanufacturersandoperators.